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Greetings Udo: I did not mix them. Some group in Kiev edited this video, and I re-posted it. You are referring to the bust of Wu Jianquan where the video states that is Quan You. I agree. I can not edit that out since I did not create the original video. They (Kiev) were correct in naming him Quan You and not Wu Quan You (a later development). (Smile here). There are not known pictures or busts of Quan You. Probably Wu Jian quan is mentioned here as part of the family lineage, but that is about it. This video really just deals with the Beijing group of Quan You's Taijiquan. Wu Jianquan moved to the South in 1928...."Wu taught Taijiquan in southern China while Wang Maozhai remained in Beijing. These two great Taiji Quan masters came to be known respectively as Nan Wu Bei Wang (南吴北王) - South Wu and North Wang. www.ycgf.org/Masters_in_YCGF/TJ_QuanYun.html

@@oicaroh No problem for me, but it is as it is: The picture - aölo in your link- shows Wu jianquan and not Wu Quanyou

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はい！美しく、時代を超越した、誰にでも、どこにでも触れることができます。 （グーグル翻訳）

Thank you, Poet! It is a pleasure to see when someone appreciates the roots of a thing.

You are very welcome (Michelle). Such a Treasure belongs to those who claim it for mankind/ourselves.

Paul: this is not Yang style except that its origen is from Yang Luchan. ..."It is said that when the great master Yang Luchan (杨露禅) taught Taijiquan in Shenjiying (神机营) - Emperor’s elite Capitol Garrison - the Modern Firearm Division, only three of his students, all low-ranking officers, really understood and mastered his superlative skills. These men were Wan Chun (万春), Ling Shan (凌山), and Quan You (全佑)." Quan You taught Wang Maozhai and Maozhai taught Yang Yuting (no blood relation to the Yang family of Yang Luchan > Yang Jianhou > Yang Yanhou & Yang Chengfu). Quan You >Wang Maozhai > Yang Yuting > Wang Peisheng are known as Northern Wu or Beijing Taijiquan. From Quan you comes also a branch developed by his son Ai Shen, later change his name to Wu Jianquan and moved to Shanghai. This branch -carrying the Family name of Wu Jianquan is known now as Wu Family Style. Neither Beijing, nor Shanghai styles look like Yang Chengfu's.

@@oicaroh sorry there is no amount of persuasion that will convince me otherwise. There is no … I repeat no real documented evidence found anywhere that what Bonhou (and that means his dad too!!!) taught was different the Wu style. Since Wu Style mimics Yang Chen Fu’s AND Let’s not forget Hou Style!!!! which came directly from a student of LuChan himself… All three WU, Hou and Chen Fu’s (aka modern Yang Family Style) all follow the same Shen fa (i.e stylistic movements etc and Quan fa) Sorry bud you got sold garbage if you think the above is any different than Yang Chen Fu’s … And if is… it was made up.

@@paulcalugar1438 : i could mention many differences but if you have not practice Northern Wu you can not understand what I could explain to you. Take one thing Northern Wu weight distribution is strictly 100% -0% in each foot. Not just sometimes. Every single posture. Yang Chengfu's pictures show you clearly a very different weight distribution. But I don't go for the pictures. I was the 1st Director of Coaching and Ranking standards department of the Yang Zhenduo's Yang Family asociation. (That does not mean much to me, except that I am very sure of what they taught). What do you practice? I don't "think" they are different. I "know" they are different.

@@oicaroh what you mentioned are nothing but stylistic difference. One more time… . Wu(Hao) style came from Wu Yuxiang HE TRAINED under Lu Chan himself!!!! Wu Wuanyou ) a military officer and founder of WU style (also trained under Lu Chan and his Son Officially Documented both…(i.e outside Both Yang, Wu and Hao families) Both those styles mimic Yang Chen Fu’s (only with a few stylistic difference) in form!!!!! And function!!! That’s all documented. Verified. If you are practicing something that does Not look like Yang Chen Fu’s or Wu or Hao (& both WU and Hao are just a small circle interpretation) You are practicing some made up bull shit! That is not real Yang style. everything I have seen that claimed to be “Old Yang Style” had suspect linage or looked like made up shit… (usually both in various degrees) What I laugh at is… a Yang taichi community void of anything martial in prowess.. taking umbrage with the truth that Yang Chen Fu’s style is the original. ???? Somehow Chen Fu’s style isn’t legit… yet it mimics the two styles that have the only documented evidence of Yang Lu Chan involvement/influence. Any and all those “Old Yang Styles” claiming to be Lu Chan’s come from some 2nd cousin of a 2nd cousin of some Yang family long deceased. If you haven’t notice yet TMCA are filled with “tall stories” and suspect linages” Nothing screams pure bull shit than some family style practiced behind closed door that has never been tested in public Anything labeled “old yang style” that I’ve seen… fits the BS moniker!

@@paulcalugar1438 The lineage i mentioned: from Luchan to Quan you > WangMaozhai> Yang Yuting> Wang Peisheng is totally different than the simplification Yang Chegfu created when he had to teach publicly to the masses. If you think that chengfu did what Luchan did, how can i put it? You need to do more research. You think Wang Peisheng has not been tested publicly? or his descendants still alive? Do some research. Don't be like the frog that makes everybody laugh. Again: what do you practice?

What?!

Wang Wang Pai Tao si Pai Hai she pai

Tai Wang Ren zai Zen Tai dhji Tai Zen xa Zen ta yu zhi ni

I don't read or speak Chinese. I recognize your first three words (Big thanks). You are welcome, Friend! If you would use Chinese Pictograms I could use google translate. 太极宗师 (Taiji Zongshi) was a Special flowering of Mankind.

@@oicaroh my Wing Chun master tought me half the system and Said time loosed more and more the Holdings of the wu Style Tai dhji are emenz

@@alekx58: ycgf.homestead.com/files/YC_Tang/yc_Tang.htm

@@oicaroh Welcome jing han jing hao Tai Ping Hai jing

This only points to the skill available in his group (ycgf.org/). Do you fly? ;-)

Probably, when this was originally filmed, only excerpts were filmed (on 8 or 16 mm ?). If I had the whole thing I would have -for sure- shared it in its entirety.

Original footage is from RUclips Channel: "Victorian & Edwardian Martial & Exercise Films". It says: "Film release date: 1939. The actual footage may have been filmed a few years earlier. Location: Tai Miao- Beijing- China This upload includes a slow-motion take. Description: Description: This footage shows two martial arts practitioners performing sword forms at Tai Miao (Forbidden City). The footage is part of a film showing 1930s Beijing (Peking) that was shot by a British scholar studying in China. His camera captures the many aspects of 1930’s Peking: trams jostling with camels and motorcars, a herd of sheep by the Qianmen gate, lantern shops outside the Forbidden City and street markets where vendors peddle hot snacks and acrobats perform."

The great benefit is that at least we get to see some of it. Oicaroh deserves massive thanks for posting this.

Even from these few movements, I can compare to their later disciples, and see how these great masters succeeded in the ultimate goal of producing students who could continue to advance the art. Not every style can say the same.

@@itinerantpoet1341 Thank you. That was my intention.

Where you part of that trip? I am the one filming it.

@@oicaroh no my Chinese dad was tho

I don't know. I uploaded the whole thing. Thank you for calling my attention. I will upload it again today.

I double checked the original video. That is how the original video starts. I found it in a Chinese website before google translate so I can not find it again. I posted it here because many who can not read Chinese may never come across this video otherwise. Do you practice North Wu TJQ?

@@oicaroh Thanks so much for posting it and for the update☺️.